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Return of the original black panther party.

The black panther party continues as another generation has picked up the torch. Pantherqueen757 (talk) 06:07, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed additions to "Founding of the Black Panther Party"

There's some missing details to this section, and I think it needs a slight reorganization for better chronological flow. It begins:

"In late October 1966, Huey P. Newton and Bobby Seale founded the Black Panther Party (originally the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense)."

But then backtracks several years to discuss Newton and Seale's meeting and involvement in earlier Black Power groups. That sentence probably should be moved down a few paragraphs.

There's a more full story of the origins of the name "Black Panther Party", however, since Newton and Seale's group were not the first to use it. As mentioned, the black panther was used as a symbol for the Lowndes County Freedom Organization, with the symbol actually appearing on ballots (due to the high rate of illiteracy in Lowndes County) and the organization becoming informally known as the "Black Panther Party". That led to several other groups using the name elsewhere - there was a Black Panther Party of Watts and there were two rival groups in the Bay Area - the Revolutionary Action Group-affilited Black Panther Party of Northern California in San Francisco and Newton and Seale's Black Panther Party for Self-Defense in Oakland. In fact, the reason that the "for Self-Defense" part was originally used to was to distinguish itself from the San Francisco group.

After several months of this, Newton and Seale confronted the other group and after an altercation, the BPP of Northern California agreed to change its name and Newton and Seale's group became the sole "Black Panther Party". This history is covered in detail in Bloom's "Black Against Empire" and Seale's "Seize the Time". Peter G Werner (talk) 20:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

proposal to add Anti-fascism and Anti-zionism to infobox ideologies

The BPP wrote about fascism and Zionism in their newspaper on several occasions, including Donald L. Cox's article titled Zionism (Kosher Nationalism) + Imperialism = Fascism, the party also featured several palestinian groups such as Al-Fatah and the PFLP. The group also was praised in a telegram from Kim Il-Seung for their 'Anti-Imperialism' and 'Anti-Fascism' it is reasonable then to include Anti-Zionism and Anti-Fascism within the list of ideologies. AnneKomme (talk) 10:21, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is preferable to use independent, third-party sources in any case. Therefore, we should try to find reliable sources which use such descriptions. If we must use self-descriptions, then we should note that it is a self-description in the text. ―Howard • 🌽³³ 10:34, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This means that Party publications and correspondences can only be used if the source is directly mentioned. ―Howard • 🌽³³ 10:39, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As for anti-Zionism: "The Panthers’ view of the Israel/Palestine conflict evolved from 1968 to 1980 from one of strong anti-Zionism and support for the PLO to a more nuanced analysis that included criticism of Arab nationalism and its racial exclusions."^[1]

―Howard • 🌽³³ 11:13, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Lubin, Alex (2016-03-01). "Black Panther Palestine". Studies in American Jewish Literature (1981-). 35 (1): 77–97. doi:10.5325/studamerjewilite.35.1.0077. ISSN 0271-9274.

Dissolved?

I'm not seeing anything about how the Black Panther Party was dissolved. There is an active "Original Black Panther Party" in my city. Currently there is only one source (Jones) where the page says the closing of the Oakland chapter "marked the formal end of of the Black Panther Party, but what is the authority for this claim? The link to the Jones is hidden by the recent attack on the Wayback Machine. Can we get some more sources about the circumstances of this "dissolution" on the page? It doesn't seem accurate to me. Kire1975 (talk) 17:33, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Lubin, Alex (2016-03-01). "Black Panther Palestine". Studies in American Jewish Literature (1981-). 35 (1): 77–97. doi:10.5325/studamerjewilite.35.1.0077. ISSN 0271-9274.

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